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BRITTANY LUSE, HOST:
Hello, and welcome to the pop culture boardroom. I am your pop culture CEO, Brittany Luse, and I’m joined by two members of pop culture C-suite. Matthew Lawson and Joan Summers. They are the hosts of the “Eating For Free” podcast. And, Matthew, Joan, what’s the Q1 2026 pop culture vibe? In one word?
MATTHEW LAWSON: Girl (laughter). Yeah. That’s it.
LUSE: (Laughter).
LAWSON: That’s it. Girl.
LUSE: Girl. I’m feeling that.
JOAN SUMMERS: Let me pay respect to my queen ancestors. Honey.
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LAWSON: Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.
LUSE: Also fair. Also fair. Well, I have gathered the boardroom together to take stock of the year so far. I want to know what are the achievements, setbacks, MVPs and future forecasting for 2026 thus far. And as the CEO, I am going to lead the meeting, but I want to hear from both of you, Joan and Matthew, about what you’re seeing. And, of course, I want to hear from our stakeholders, aka, all of you listening. Drop your thoughts for each of our categories in the comments.
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LUSE: Hello, hello. I’m Brittany Luse, and you’re listening to IT’S BEEN A MINUTE from NPR, a show about what’s going on in culture and why it doesn’t happen by accident.
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LUSE: OK. So diving into our agenda. What were we right about heading into 2026? Have any of your pop culture predictions already come true?
SUMMERS: I mean, we famously say we’re right about everything, and more people should listen to us. So as a she-EO (ph)…
LUSE: Oh.
SUMMERS: I would like everybody to know that I was absolutely correct that the “Vanderpump Rules” reboot would be worthwhile television. We were right to tune in. We were right to put a stake in that, really circled back to it in the new year. And got to say, they really delivered on the deliverables that we had asked for, you know? So I’m just really pleased with what the team accomplished.
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LAWSON: Well, to be fair, the stakeholder investment on “Vanderpump Rules” is, like, astounding. Like, it’s a huge investment for many, like, a decade-plus project. And now it’s a new generation. And, yeah, I think they really did what they needed to be done.
LUSE: (Laughter).
SUMMERS: Those crazy, crazy kids. They’re not actors anymore. They’re Onlyfans performers, and I think it’s cool that we can see the times change. And so I would say give it a watch.
LUSE: That’s interesting. That’s really interesting.
LAWSON: Yeah, a lot of them are vertical video actors. Like, even though we see it everywhere – I mean, we’re living in the world of influencers – seeing actually behind the, like, ring light, essentially, has been actually really interesting in a way I was not expecting.
LUSE: Interesting. OK…
LAWSON: (Laughter).
LUSE: …Not behind the ring light. Like, behind the candelabra. I’m sorry. I’m dying.
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LUSE: Oh, my gosh. OK, what about you, Matthew? What were you right about heading into 2026?
LAWSON: Well, you talked about this in December, but woke being back, I feel like it’s proven to be true. Signing the deliverables, the deliverables are, I think, yielding dividends. Like, people I think are feeling invested and feeling respected. And yeah, I don’t know. I feel like the vibe has shifted. I think very noticeably in the last three months, people have, I think, made some decisions about AI, about Hollywood, about just the mania that we’re bombarded with every day. And I think people are, yeah, I think they’re ready for woke 2.0, essentially. We’ve learned, and now we have new ways of practicing it that are hopefully more successful.
LUSE: You all right about really substantial things, I just want to say. I’m so happy to be having this conversation with you both. I didn’t necessarily make a prediction about this, but I – let’s just say my tastes were ahead of the times with this one. I had PinkPantheress’ album “Fancy That” and her remix album “Fancy Some More?” as, like, my tops for 2025. One of the biggest songs from remix album is remix for a song called “Stateside,” which features Swedish pop princess Miss Zara Larsson.
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ZARA LARSSON: (Singing) I’ve been touring stateside, kissing my swedish boy over FaceTime…
LAWSON: (Singing) Stateside – yeah, of course. Yes. (Singing) My Swedish boy over FaceTime.
LUSE: Yes. You better sing. That song has become a major hit. If you think you haven’t heard it, you probably have, and you just don’t know the title of it. It is that big right now. It’s not just a major hit, “Stateside,” it is an international hit across five continents. I just want to say, I’m never wrong. I’m just early. I’m never wrong. I’m just early. But let’s put a pin in that for now.
Now, you know I love taking stock of our hardest working employees, the people that make the culture. So can you all present our MVPs of the quarter? Like, our rock stars? Like who’s standing out – good or bad – as the ones doing the most? Let’s start with our thorns, right? We’re going to talk roses and thorns. But let’s do thorns first. Who are the thorns of culture for Q1?
LAWSON: It has been a very dark Q1, so unfortunately, there are, I think, many answers to this question, but I would say Clavicular and the looksmaxxing and fashion week and, you know, Elena Velez taking him in and, like, making a spectacle out of Clavicular. And…
LUSE: Right. Having him walk in her show during fashion week, yeah.
LAWSON: Exactly, and getting like these GQ features, and everyone’s, like, legitimizing this man who he has these crazy claims. Here he is getting these, like, high-fashion shoots, having to work with, like, some of the most creative and, like, talented and influential people in New York. So seeing him brought in was just, like, pretty frightening. But also, at that time, it made everyone have to really, I think, take it seriously and realize, hey, this is, like, not a subgroup online anymore. This is, like, becoming mainstream, and we need to look into it.
LUSE: It’s such a moment that draws so many things together. What once felt like fringe online culture that you could kind of ignore, perhaps, you said that becoming mainstream.
LAWSON: And then you have to have your mom text you and ask what looksmaxxing is and, like…
LUSE: Right?
LAWSON: …What do these terms mean? And you have to, like – you just start explaining everything, and it’s like, oh, my God, I can’t believe I know this, but now you have to know it.
LUSE: I wonder if we can level set. Who are the roses? Like, who are the people that are making everything in culture just feel a little bit better? Joan, what about you?
SUMMERS: I think the exact antidote that people have been craving to the sort of thing that Clavicular represents is my good sister, a hero, a mother, a teacher, a leader and a streamer, actually, as well, to say it. That is one Lushious Massacr.
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LUSHIOUS MASSACR: The girly girls, honey. The girly girls. We are back with my daily vlog where I run around and I dragvestigate (ph) to see (clicking tongue) and expose, honey. And today we’re going to expose Miss Ross Dress For Less, honey. You know the girls…
SUMMERS: You know, I bought in big with the stocks last year with Miss Lushious when she was, you know, just making her little YouTube videos out of Brownsville, Texas, as she so often says, going to the mall, going to the TJ Maxx.
LUSE: (Laughter).
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MASSACR: Girls, they got us. The big girls’ section. Another humongous parka blanket mumu extravaganza here at the Ross, honey. The big girls, they’re always getting paid dust, frankly. Dust.
SUMMERS: And now my girl has made it all the way to Hollywood. She has made it all the way to the big time. She’s just won awards, and she’s going up and up. I just watch her and I feel such an immense amount of joy. I was hospitalized for an extended period of time last year, and I definitely subjected my nurses to probably, like, a hundred hours of Lushious Massacr content.
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SUMMERS: Because it was, like – because, like, in a hospital, it was, like, what do I want to do? I want to be just injected with, like, true, pure, love energy, and that is just everything that she brings to the table. And it’s just interesting, too, to see a drag performer and an artist like her come from outside of the sort of “Drag Race” monolith.
LUSE: Yeah. Well, she’s been around the girls for a minute. I mean, she’s been a makeup artist for a few of the well-known “RuPaul’s Drag Race” girls, like Shangela, and she did Valentina’s makeup for “Drag Race Mexico.”
SUMMERS: Yeah.
LUSE: But I get what you’re saying. She did not come to fame as a contestant on one of the main franchise shows.
SUMMERS: She has done lots and lots of different gigs. She is a highly influential figure in her community back in Texas, and her daughters are, as well. And I just, like, am so proud of her. If you haven’t, I beg all of you. Please just Google her. Please put on a YouTube video. It’s going to change your life. You’re going to see this lady stand outside a TJ Maxx in a mumu, and it’s never going to be the same for you.
LUSE: (Laughter).
SUMMERS: It is never going to be the same for you.
LUSE: That is beautiful. That actually legitimately lifted my spirits, and I’m glad it did. Because as the CEO, I fear that we now have to circle back to where we have some holes this year. Where is pop culture lagging right now? Like, what moments set us back?
LAWSON: Ooh.
SUMMERS: So…
LUSE: Oh.
LAWSON: Oh (laughter).
SUMMERS: …I’m going to say two words, everybody.
LUSE: Oh, no.
SUMMERS: Brace for impact.
LUSE: (Laughter).
SUMMERS: Please, everybody, brace for impact…
LUSE: Brace.
SUMMERS: …’Cause we know what’s coming. “Heated Rivalry.” Now, listen.
LAWSON: Oh.
SUMMERS: Here’s the thing. Here’s the thing.
LAWSON: Whoo.
SUMMERS: Following up on Lushious Massacr, I love – I support the fact that a show about gay guys having sex was the biggest pop culture happening of our year. Good work, team. Good work, Canada. Keep it up. That said, what has happened around (laughter) “Heated Rivalry”…
LUSE: Ha.
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LAWSON: We’re still not safe.
SUMMERS: …Is unlike anything I’ve professionally witnessed in my 10 years as a working journalist. But I think it really, like, cracked open what is really happening on the internet in this particular moment, which is that the boundaries between the things that we consume ourselves and the way that we exist online have completely eroded, where it’s like the let people enjoy things crowd, and that whole conversation has, like, sort of crystallized around – also, the parasociality (ph) that we feel with other people online, especially famous people, you know, the inability to distinguish fact from fiction, like, the fact that something happens on a TV show does not mean it’s real. And the fact that people say things about a TV show does not mean that we’re actually being mean to fictional characters ’cause that’s impossible, right? Like, we’re engaging with art. And then, especially, this fact that, like, you know, we have a show that is the single most popular thing about this current year, right? Like…
LUSE: Yeah. Yeah.
SUMMERS: …In media. Like, it is the only thing that we’ve had, like, legitimately approach a water cooler event the way that we used to talk about various other shows in, like, the golden age…
LUSE: So true.
SUMMERS: …Of Hollywood.
LUSE: So true.
SUMMERS: Like, it’s a water cooler event. You could go to anywhere – I would, like, be in line at a gas station, and, like, the two men in front of me that are just, like, regular degular (ph) people would be, like, talking about “Heated Rivalry.”
LUSE: Yeah.
SUMMERS: Which is, like, not a thing that I’ve experienced since probably “Game Of Thrones” ended.
LAWSON: Oh, yeah.
SUMMERS: Also, the way that that has translated to so much real-life homophobia and abuse online directed at its, like, queer actors, which I also found interesting, right? Like, the fact that there could be people watching this show and loving it for what it is, who then would, like, spout homophobia online. And so, yeah, it just – for all of the good it brought, like, at what cost, you know? That’s something I would like to put a pin in for next season.
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LAWSON: Sometimes we’re the only ones dancing, and I’m like, I’m keeping this club alive, even if it takes my last ounce of energy.
LUSE: Yes.
Stay with us.
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LUSE: Matt, what about you? What moment do you think set us back?
LAWSON: Oh, my God. I mean, the Timothee Chalamet Oscars ballet…
LUSE: Oh, Lord.
LAWSON: The theater – it was – I’m tired as I’m talking about it. It’s making me dizzy. I think everyone feels hungover already from what just happened. But, I mean, we have people at the Oscars like Javier Bardem and, like, Motaz Malhees, people really actively fighting and unable to even get their work, like, recognized or shown or travel to the U.S., talk about their work at the Oscars, where, like, there’s really critical art that people are either unable to see or there’s discourse around it or actors being blacklisted.
LUSE: Right. You’re talking about actors and directors speaking out in support of Palestinian people or not being able to travel to the U.S. because of President Trump’s travel ban.
LAWSON: And all we can talk about is Timothee Chalamet’s, like, off-handed comment from, like, a random interview.
LUSE: Yeah.
LAWSON: It just felt like this distraction. Everyone had to chime in on it. Everyone had to talk about it. And then there’s this, like – so many very real issues that are happening around us in a literal war that’s happening at the same time. And it not only felt like a distraction. I just feel like even his comments were, like, miscontrued. I feel like a lot of the sentiment around it was misconstrued. And also, the arts are suffering. A lot of them are. In this country, we’re all – arts are suffering at most schools, at most institutions.
LUSE: Yeah. Yeah.
LAWSON: Like, it’s a real issue, and yet we have to pick on one guy who’s been overexposed and is, like, you know, just the face right now of a very popular film. It just felt like – kind of like a manic episode, like a grand delusion, where it just was like, why are we doing this? This is – we’re spending way too much time and resources on something that I think would have been a throwaway comment if it was just years before, you know?
LUSE: I think you’re so right. I think you’re – I think that’s exactly it. It would have been a throwaway comment if it had been years before. When it happened, it stunned me how long that conversation went on beyond what I thought would have been acceptable, which would have been about 40 minutes.
LAWSON: Yeah. And I think what’s so upsetting – we talk about this a lot in our podcast. But the thing with Hollywood right now is that, unfortunately, as the bar, we would argue, gets lower for, like, what bars interview questions, what bars, like, a theme for interview where you can just be asking these very casual questions, very low stakes. We’re not going to get into politics. We’re not going to get into, you know, the mechanics or, like, the tea behind Hollywood. So, unfortunately, even when Timothee Chalamet’s has this, like, totally casual offhand comment, he’s the only one maybe being slightly genuine in that sense or actually commenting on the state of the industry, and he’s a top, triple-A actor. Like, he’s at every Oscar show. There’s a reason why his word has so much weight now.
And so when no one else is really saying anything, that little comment now becomes the only thing we can obsess over. And that’s why it was so crazy, was every single actor and institution now had to comment on it because now it’s the discourse. Once you have, like, people just coming out and being genuine, it’s – it frightens everybody, I think.
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LUSE: Oh, my gosh, I am hoping that that hoopla is not, like, a precursor for these sort of, like, celebrity mess cycles to come in 2026, because that tired me out. It was tiring.
LAWSON: No. We’re all tired (laughter).
LUSE: And I wasn’t even a part of it. Well, before we head into what to plan for heading into Q2, I want to leave us all on a high note. I want synergy in this moment. What are our culture’s major achievements for quarter one? Like, where are we seeing the line graph jump up? Where is the growth happening?
SUMMERS: The first horseman of the wokepocalypse arrived when Bad Bunny stepped out on the Super Bowl stage to perform his halftime show and really, like, both set the bar so high for, like, what we can do artistically, what we can do, like, collectively when artists come together and, like, both embrace their own culture and also try to create something that feels both deeply meaningful, deeply personal but also universal to, like, all of our experiences right now to, like, have basically everyone watch that from all different walks of life, all different cultures, and be like, wait, I recognize that. It feels familiar. These scenes feel like things from my own life, even if I didn’t grow up in Puerto Rico. So one, that is great. But then also, the way in which people who were criticizing it for hateful, bigoted, racist reasons, seeing them, you know, actually suffer legitimate consequences, like, people who felt brave enough to get in front of a camera and spout xenophobia, spout racism, especially famous people, you know, like, seeing…
LAWSON: Jill Zarin. Yeah. Yeah.
SUMMERS: Jill Zarin. That’s right. I think that that was a really big tipping point for me, where I was seeing, like, oh, so for, like, two years, we’ve just, like, endured these people, like, feeling bold enough to, like, take the mask off. And, like, obviously, since the first election of that guy, like, we’ve seen this already. But, like, especially, it’s ramped up where they’re like, there’s no consequences anymore. We run the world, we run society, we run culture. And it was like, no, actually, like, people are sick of it. People are not just going to take all of this lying down in culture. Like, people don’t want to just be fed hatefulness for no reason and racism for no reason. And, like, they don’t want to just be, like, just spewed at with vitriol all day, 24/7.
You know, like, it was just a nice moment to see collectively everyone kind of get that lady. And I know there’s, like, probably a little mob justice coming out of me in that moment, but also, like, there was a legitimate consequence for various people. And so, yeah, wokepocalypse, she’s coming. First horseman has already arrived. I have a second horseman in the wings. We’ll talk about that in a sec.
LUSE: Ooh, OK. What about you, Matthew?
LAWSON: Keeping in the boardroom, talk is going to jump off from Joan’s point.
LUSE: I love it.
LAWSON: I think we have seen the ugliest sides of AI so far. I’m sure more horrors are to come. You know, don’t quote me on it. But I think we’ve seen it – I think people generally feel like they’ve seen enough. Even in pop culture, you know, we had – Coca Cola did their AI ads for Christmas. People hated them. People wanted them pulled immediately. You know, going off, like, the Super Bowl thing, too. That was very, like, practical effects, like, a lot of stage presence, a lot of talented people. Like, people want spectacle still. They’re never going to not want their bread and circus. But I don’t think people want this, like, lazy slop. They don’t want this, like, low quality, you know, everyone feels satisfied, but also nobody feels happy, you know, kind of content. They want something that is in depth, and I think it hit a breaking point.
I think Sora losing their contract with Disney, huge win. Huge win for the team. I’d say, Q1’s off to a great start with Sora, the plug being pulled there, because I think people were realizing it’s hitting every part of their lives. It’s making their jobs harder. It’s making their jobs more miserable. People are literally losing their jobs in droves across the United States, around the world because of AI. And so now it’s like, don’t put that in my face. Like, people are tired of it. It’s all, like, instant serotonin, and then you want an extended stay, and you’re like, oh, this is unsatisfying. This is garbage. Like, why would I waste my time?
LUSE: All right. Well, looking ahead into Q2, you know, we don’t need to reinvent the wheel here. What’s one thing you want to see more of? Or what do you want to leave behind?
SUMMERS: So I mentioned the second horsemen of the woke apocalypse. And she arrives this summer on a glitter-encrusted horse, with a 50-inch lace front wig in. And that is RuPaul’s “Stop! That! Train!” arriving in theaters, internationally.
LAWSON: Yes. Yes.
LUSE: I’m ready for this.
SUMMERS: Everywhere you can find movies.
LUSE: I’m so ready for this.
LAWSON: Yes.
SUMMERS: And I just want to say, like, a drag queen making a feature film in movie theaters across the globe, featuring a bunch of drag queens, is revolutionary and awesome. But also, it is, like, essentially the sort of, like, slapstick “Snakes On A Plane”-style humor movies that we have lost in culture, and that…
LUSE: Yes.
SUMMERS: …RuPaul clearly loves so much. Now, has she actually brought her love of it into a actual comedic styling on her TV show? Maybe not.
LUSE: Eh.
SUMMERS: I’m also excited for this possibility that – like, with “Scary Movie” coming back in a big way, bringing back the original, core people that people love so much, with this thing coming back – like, I’m ready to, like, embrace stupidity again, and stupidity done right, right? Like, stupidity is also intelligent because it requires a lot of craft to be funny and also dumb at the same time. And I think that that is, like, hopefully what we’re going to see more of.
And I also think the beauty of these movies was they were cheap to make. And that is something Hollywood desperately needs right now in the age of $100 billion Marvel movies. Like, let’s just throw a bunch of actors in a weird movie about tornadoes that have sharks in them, you know?
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SUMMERS: Like, that’s what I want to see. So that’s what I’m looking forward to.
LUSE: Oh, I love that. That makes me so excited. Actually, I just saw the trailer for that the other day. And it made me so excited because it just reminded me, like you said, of all of those, like, silly movies, like, from the ’80s and ’90s that I used to watch on TV a lot. Like – I forget. Maybe a couple of months ago, my husband and I rewatched, like, one of the “Brady Bunch” movies from the ’90s.
SUMMERS: (Laughter).
LAWSON: Oh, fierce.
LUSE: Because they were so…
LAWSON: It’s so fierce. Yeah.
LUSE: …So good. They were so silly, and they were so much fun. Please, Matthew, tell me, what do you want to see more of? What are we leaving behind? What’s…
LAWSON: I think we’re leaving behind phones at the club. It’s going to take a while. It’s going to take…
LUSE: Yes.
LAWSON: It might take another year or two. Listen, I think nightlife has had, you know, a confrontation over the last few years post-COVID, obviously. A lot of people are rediscovering the club for the first time. Gen Z is, like, getting out here. And they’re figuring out, like, how to really do it, how to, like, learn from the – you know, us elders now, who have been out for a while and, like, actually learn the etiquette.
And I think what a big part of it is, is hey, going out should be about dancing and having fun and not just, like, taking pictures. Do that at home. Have your pre-drinks at home, take your photos, look cute. That’s never going to stop. But, like, actually, while you’re out, like, have a good [expletive] time and just let loose. And, like, dance for hours. I highly recommend it. It’s therapy. We all need it. And I think that includes, like…
LUSE: Yes.
LAWSON: …Finding more community things. Finding things more kind of on – I would say, almost kind of like the back in the day, like, finding Facebook groups and, like, little chats online where you get, you know, kind of the insider info to find out where things are happening. It doesn’t always have to be a $60, you know, presale.
LUSE: Yes.
LAWSON: Club with a big headliner, waiting in line for hours, drinks for 20 bucks. I think we’re tired of it. Like, it’s exhausting. In this economy, who can afford to spend $60 on a presale show and then spend 20 on a drink? Like, it’s obscene, it’s obscene.
LUSE: No. No.
LAWSON: Not anymore. No.
LUSE: No. No, no, no. Like, your local place. Like, your local place can be just as fun.
LAWSON: Yes. No, I feel like what I’m saying…
SUMMERS: Absolutely.
LAWSON: Maybe it’s – you know, I know this is not just a San Francisco thing, but I’m going to be a little selfish here. But, like, I’ve seen so many great people just start truly throwing whatever kind of party they want at local bars. Like, get out on a weekday night, like, show up. Do your, like, “Survivor” trivia. Do your “Simpsons” trivia night. Like, have a little themed event. Like, it’s corny and it can feel cringe at times. But guess what? If you don’t have to post on social media the whole time, no one knows. No one cares. Yeah.
LUSE: Literally. Literally.
LAWSON: It’s so fun.
LUSE: It’s so fun. Also, it’s like, my husband and I were talking about this last night, about how, like, people not wanting to, like, dance and stuff like that. And sometimes, like, some of the, like, producers on our show will talk to me about how, like, people don’t always dance as much…
LAWSON: Yes.
LUSE: …Like, when they go out to parties and clubs and stuff like that, which is wild.
LAWSON: Joan and I, Joan knows, sometimes we’re the only ones dancing. And I’m like, I’m keeping this club alive, even if it takes my last ounce of energy.
LUSE: Yes. I’m dancing everywhere I go. I’m dancing in the grocery store. Because it’s really – I feel like a lot of it, what it is, is that people are kind of, like, out of the practice of, like, being around other people without their phones (laughter).
LAWSON: Yeah.
LUSE: And perhaps being – like, many people are still in work from home or hybrid working, like, situations. Or they’re not – or something about their after-work lives has been kind of, like, broken. Myself included. I work from home almost exclusively. And, like, I also, too, like, a little older (laughter) than the two of you. (Laughter) So, like, a lot of people are going…
SUMMERS: We’re in our 30s, babe. We’re all in our 30s.
LAWSON: I was going to say, though, what I’m tired of as well – and this kind of all ties into it – is, like, 25-year-olds acting like they’re too old to be out at the club. Or acting like they need to go to bed at 9 p.m., and they’re old.
LUSE: No.
LAWSON: Stop. You’re not retiring, not in this economy.
LUSE: No, listen…
LAWSON: You’re not retiring for another…
LUSE: Because one day, your body is going to give you the message.
LAWSON: Yes. Take advantage while you can.
LUSE: OK? And when you get the message, you’ll feel it.
LAWSON: Yes.
LUSE: And I felt it. I felt it.
SUMMERS: Babe, retain that joie de vivre. It will keep you alive forever. It will literally keep you alive forever. That is how you live to 100 years old.
LAWSON: Exactly.
LUSE: (Laughter) Well, Joan, Matt, there’s so much ahead of us this year. And we can’t say what the future holds, but we can say we’ll be right here to help all of our pop culture stakeholders understand it. Thank you both so much for joining us today. This was such a treat.
LAWSON: Truly. What a wonder.
SUMMERS: This was a treat. Thank you so much.
LUSE: That was Matthew Lawson, cohost, producer and editor of the “Eating For Free” podcast. And Joan Summers, senior editor at Paper Magazine and cohost and founder of the podcast “Eating For Free.” This episode of IT’S BEEN A MINUTE was produced by…
COREY ANTONIO ROSE, BYLINE: Corey Antonio Rose.
LUSE: This episode was edited by…
NEENA PATHAK, BYLINE: Neena Pathak.
LUSE: Our supervising producer is…
BARTON GIRDWOOD, BYLINE: Barton Girdwood.
LUSE: Our VP of programming is…
YOLANDA SANGWENI, BYLINE: Yolanda Sangweni.
LUSE: All right. That’s all for this episode of IT’S BEEN A MINUTE from NPR. I’m Brittany Luse. Talk soon.
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